Paul Ross Tribute

“The sun was shining on the sea,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The billows smooth and bright”

In Lewis Carroll’s poem, the Walrus and the Carpenter, the two principle characters deceive a colony of young oysters in to lining up thinking they’re going to hang out with them for a pleasant chat. Unbeknownst to the shell-dwellers, this was all just a plan for them to become snack-fodder for our cunning protagonists.

I’m not suggesting that Paul Ross selected the Walrus and the Carpenter pub over the road from Old Billingsgate to host his bygone LAC meetings with affiliate managers out of any foreboding sense of literary-based predilection – it was simply the closest boozer. But as every affiliate manager who dodged the dual carriage-way traffic on Lower Thames Street to make it to the Walrus will testify, the reality of the meeting with Paul and one of his Punters Lounge sidekicks was anything but a tea party.

One element of Paul’s character that I’ve heard echoed since his sad passing on Friday night was his generosity. For every Jack Daniels-heavy expense receipt that was logged by the affiliate manager he hammered to land the commission deal he wanted, there were ten stories of how ‘Sir Puntalot’ had served to help within the community he had built – the first betting forum in the UK – and the industry in which he worked. Punters Lounge Technical Director Stephane Travostino refers to Paul as “the most generous person I have ever met in my career”. There was material generosity, but all the stories I’ve heard of Paul really zero in on his generosity of spirit and of time.

I can speak to both. In his final months, when he knew that his time was running short, Paul was generous enough to give some of it to me, providing some of the greatest and – in a way that only Paul could do without offending – frankest advice I’ve ever been given. He went out of his way to address problems I was facing when his outlook was evidently bleaker. I can’t thank him enough for that.

The reaction to Paul’s passing has hit Punters Lounge members hard, but it has given those who so enjoyed the forum community Paul built the chance to thank him and to share their thoughts and memories.

His colleague Steve Day summed up what ‘Ross the Boss’ had built with Punters Lounge. “His enthusiasm for Punters Lounge was infectious. I’d struggled to buy into any roles I’d previously had when it came to work. Paul made it easy to fully invest in this place. He not only believed in what Punters Lounge was and should become, but he also believed in those that wanted to make it happen”.

That included every one of the forum’s contributors, who were treated to some of the most entertaining race day outings imaginable thanks to the forum’s success. I went on one of them – PL Raceday XVI back in 2013. This involved an overnight stay in Wolverhampton, a coach ride seeing the farmyard sights of the Black Country with 50 or so forum members – or as PL member ‘aliando’ calls them, “like-minded lunatics”, who had flown in from beyond the British Isles, a chilly, wallet-emptying afternoon at Ludlow racecourse, followed by an unsteadying evening at the renowned Crooked House pub in Dudley. At the centre of it all was Paul, who put on one of the most fantastic racing hospitality events that I’ve ever been to, that day. Give me Paul’s Ludlow over the Queen’s Ascot any time.

It’s easy to see why those race days attracted so many from so far and to see how Punters Lounge has grown to become one of the leading sports betting affiliate sites anywhere on the planet. One of his long-time PL sidekicks Graham Sarson shares the recipe for Paul’s secret sauce. “He tried to make engaging on the forum a pleasurable experience and likened it to going down the pub. I think to this day we still have that feeling about the place”.

Paul was especially proud of the recognition the site received being named as one of the EGR Power Affiliates in both 2019 and 2020. This pride was stooped in the blood, sweat and tears that Paul has given Punters Lounge. There were good times, but like most single site affiliates, there really were bad times. Unlike many webmasters I deal with, Paul always told you about them. He was refreshing, always to the point and ever-ready to provide advice – whether you wanted to hear it or not.

His long-time friend and fellow affiliate Danny Campbell recalls such a time. Paul forwarded him a series of emails he had been swapping with an affiliate manager. “His payments had been delayed and they were attempting to change his commission structure against his wishes”.

“Paul forwarded me the email thread and proceeded to be very vocal about the affiliate manager’s ability to do their job… in what can only be described as very colourful terms. The mistake he had made though was to copy the affiliate manager into the forwarded email he sent to me. The affiliate manager called me up. I spent 15-20 mins telling them Paul was a good bloke and must have just been having a bad day. They came close to suspending his account. I’m not sure to this day if Paul ever had to meet this affiliate manager again at a conference, but I would have loved to have been there and listened to their conversation.”

No doubt it would have been forthright and honest.

Paul spent his final months driving Punters Lounge forward. The site and the forum are better placed than ever and they will continue to be the unique betting community that Paul strove to build with such wholehearted dedication.

Graham added that “Paul was the most optimistic boss I have ever worked for. ‘This time next year’ was his favourite saying”. It is incredibly sad that Paul does not get to see what that next year brings – tragically cancer sees Paul leave behind his young son Anton, sister Kayla, his father and a community of friends hell bent on continuing his legacy.

To honour that legacy, I’m delighted to announce that there will be another Punters Lounge Raceday – or more specifically a Paul Ross Memorial Raceday – at some point soon. All those affiliate managers Paul put through their paces are welcome as part of the community – but please expect to see oysters on the menu.



The Rooney Rule is a hot topic making its way in to English football. Without wishing to disparage its obviously honourable endeavour of affirmative action and equal opportunity, I am going to suggest that we amend it for the gambling industry. Yes, we ought to be doing more to attract women and minorities to our industry, but there needs to be an appeal for them to come. As things stand, we are in a PR shithole and that is largely thanks to the hard work of what appears to me to be a growing minority of dickheads who make dickhead decisions, which they likely do with the agreement of dickheads around them, such as:

which, for some reason quite inexplicable to the Dickheads at Fruity King Casino, landed them in hot water.

They weren’t finished being Dickheads yet though:

“ProgressPlay obtained a response from the brand operator, who believed that the tweet was by no means derogatory towards women. The brand operator stated that the image along with text “You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig” was not derogatory towards women and that the link to them was meant to refer to the TV show, in which the women in the photo appeared in, as a low quality programme. Therefore, the text referred to the show and not to the women themselves.”

It’s quite clear these muppets are trying their best to act like Dickheads. The fact that they can’t accept that, in reality, they truly are Dickheads, is beyond me. Some more examples of the Dickheadness:

These clowns should have their casino switched off ProgressPlay…
and then of course there was this – the Dickhead market leader:

(note this was the action of a dickhead affiliate and not Casumo)

So I urge all recruiters, agencies and hirers alike to adopt the Dickhead Rule alongside any equal opportunity efforts. Yes you should interview them, but only to reinforce the fact that they are dickheads and have no place in the industry we love. They should then be placed on an official Dickhead List (let’s white label the technology behind GAMSTOP #DICKHEADSTOP). Whittle these dickheads out and build a more attractive place for all sensible people to work.

The Regulated US iGaming Market needs Affiliates to thrive

A shade over 2 years ago, Nevada became the first US state to legalise online gambling (poker). Since that time, we have seen the first legal poker site rise and fall, New Jersey and Delaware follow the Silver State’s lead, with the former accepting play on online casino games, and we’ve participated in an unmelodious collection of regulatory debates in states such as California, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts lobbying for, and against, iGaming legislation.

We’ve seen billionaire-funded attempts to roll the market back to UIGEA, or worse.

But most of all, we haven’t seen a lot of players.

We have to look at New Jersey in particular here. Plain and simple, you’re going to see Nevada or Delaware struggle to reach critical mass offering poker alone, even with player pooling just around the corner. Online casino requires less need for a tight ecology, but volume is still essential to ensure margins kick in effectively and true month-on-month growth can occur.

Comparing NJ with the Nordics

New Jersey has a population of almost 9 million – a shade under that of Sweden and very nearly twice that of Norway. The Nordics offer arguably the greatest micro-melting pot of player knowledge, value and conversion rates of any region on the planet, with player value of an online casino customer 75% greater than that of the established UK market.

Whilst EU law has allowed unregulated brands to advertise in Sweden and Norway’s National Government Pension Fund has billions of Kroner invested in offshore gambling, operators are restricted in a far greater sense in the way they can market to potential customers than licensed operators in New Jersey… with one exception.

The humble affiliate.

The portal owner, the email marketer, the blogger, the Facebook tipster, the forum moderator, the PPC whizz, the new-fangled app builder all represent the glue that has put Sweden and Norway on the iGaming map, driving heavily-critiqued competition – and consequently product and market understanding of the Nordic casino player.

It’s a glue that is sorely lacking in New Jersey. Hell, the way the market looks, a webmaster won’t even get a sniff at it for an ounce of financial stimulation.

It isn’t too hard to become vendor registered as an affiliate in New Jersey. This would see you sit on a relatively strict CPA deal, and you may garner enough traffic to get something prepaid arranged, or some other form of media-based deal.

But to sit on a revenue share deal, that’s an altogether less appealing process – a process that includes full ownership character appraisal demanding things ranging from your finger prints to your toddler’s savings account details and the need to bring in legal advice to get things done “cheaply”. Not the end of the world for many affiliates, but here’s the:

Million Dollar Question

Why would bother with the rigmarole if you can earn more money by sending money to unregulated online casinos?

This is the very crux of the ongoing UIGEA fallout that WILL keep regulated operators behind the curve until it’s resolved. Since 2006, offshore operators have relied almost unilaterally upon affiliates to acquire players. Here you have a classic chicken and egg scenario that probably weighed heavily on the Pennsylvanian legislator’s pen as he drafted a recent bill that would see a would-be affiliate need to stump up – cue Dr Evil – ONE MILLION DOLLARS to obtain a license to promote regulated poker.

The tangible association of the affiliate with illegal online gambling is there. Offer a viable alternative, even an incentive, to break those ties and, just like that, the problem of the offshore casino or poker room disappears for good.

Devil’s Advocate

For the sake of those not as intrinsically involved in marketing channels and budget as I am, let me throw some facts your way.





are all affiliates. They receive revenue in return for advertising and selling products or services. The inexactness of existing legislation, or its interpretation, in New Jersey that permits pre-paid advertising on sites like or sports sponsorship deals has with the Philadelphia 76ers and the New Jersey Devils displays a commercial naivety at best.

Newsflash: these commercial arrangements can only happen if they achieve a return on investment – ergo their very existence is dictated by player losses and any renewal or continuation effectively sees the recipients earning out of players’ pockets. I’d love to see Mark Zuckerberg send his fingerprints to the DGE if we’re doing things “properly”.

One might argue the ins and outs of what is proper when it comes to the regulation of advertising, in particular online. The bottom line is stringent regulation stifles growth – not just for affiliates either.

Affiliates create Market Knowledge

A late-2014 survey conducted in New Jersey indicated that under 10% of New Jerseyites even knew online gambling was legal, which ought to be bonkers considering the plethoric nature of billboard and television advertising the moment you land at Newark or cross the Hudson from Manhattan.

But for me, it’s not bonkers. The advertising, I’m sure very well thought out by brand managers and agencies, pushes brand and price heavily – repeating the successes of software partner brands in Europe. The issue is there is zero differentiation on product and consequently zero in terms of tangible comparison for the customer. What’s more, there is zero requirement for the operator to improve product or service delivery. It’s a turn off of the highest order, made infinitely worse when a customer does come to research ‘regulated online poker’ or ‘regulated online casino’ product in the Garden State, the independent resources ranking highest still push offshore, unregulated brands.

The DGE, via complaints from New Jersey’s handful of fully licensed affiliates, has formally forbidden any affiliate operating using a vendor license (our friends on the low rate CPA) from advertising regulated brands alongside the shady, higher earners.

What’s an affiliate to do?

The choice is simple. Earn more now by ditching the regulated brands and see what happens in the future. Affiliates, particularly those still operating as one man bands, tend to be from the “make hay whilst the sun shines” school of thought. Unlike the rest of the industry, they’re not the sort to sit back, play by the rules in the hope that a panacea is delivered out of the stresses and strains of state-by-state lobbying and bill redrafting. Regulators may well be irked by this approach, but they only have themselves to blame.

The solution is simple. Give affiliates FREE access to the market, let them do what they’re good at – namely independently appraising good and bad practice of online casino and poker operators for the greater good of the playing public, providing the substance to branding and becoming the glue the burgeoning regulated US iGaming industry needs to make targets stick.

Regulators – welcome affiliates with open arms and in one foul swoop you’ll expedite the demise of offshore gaming, build market knowledge and create the critical mass your licensees yearn for.

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Dealing with Douchebags

[10:02:58] Affiliate X: Hey Tom, how are you? Jsut a quick follow up with you to see if you had chance to go over the email with the offer we discussed for our facebook tipping page last week?
[10:03:14] Tom Galanis: hi mate
[10:03:20] Tom Galanis: I don’t think I received it
[10:03:26] Tom Galanis: could you send again?
[10:04:09] Affiliate X: Sure, give me a few mins. Will let you know when I have sent it
[10:08:56] Affiliate X: Resent, please confirm you received it. Cheers
[10:09:25] Affiliate X: From
[10:11:55] Tom Galanis: received – could you tell me the following: how big is your email database? how many are active?
[10:12:25] Tom Galanis: bottom line is this – from your proposal, any one of my clients is going to want to work on a CPA basis if you are “guaranteeing 10 customers”
[10:12:53] Affiliate X: It is basically people off the page who have signed upto receiving the horse racing email tips from us. There is around 200 at the moment
[10:12:53] Tom Galanis: I can’t see anyone going for the £500 flat fee
[10:13:19] Affiliate X: Ok mate, I can’t do anything on a CPA basis as we have a few prepaid deals on there and obviously they take priority
[10:13:27] Tom Galanis: to give you an idea, I get anxious about signing off £500 flat fees for a mailshot to 200k databases
[10:13:52] Tom Galanis: 200 potentials is not going to excite them, I’m afraid
[10:14:09] Tom Galanis: so tough to monetise facebook traffic
[10:14:13] Affiliate X: Sure, but it is not just the email that they will be being promoted on mate
[10:14:36] Tom Galanis: I appreciate that, but I can’t see anyone getting 10 customers from the facebook page
[10:15:08] Affiliate X: bxx3xx have with us and Wxxxxxx Hxxx have been working with us for about 2 weeks and have 4 new depositors
[10:15:59] Affiliate X: Not sure why you don’t think any new depositors will come from it. You can’t get anymore targeted to people on a tipping page, can you?
[10:20:10] Tom Galanis: well, how are you generating traffic?
[10:21:07] Tom Galanis: I could get 1045 people to like my dead dog’s funeral page – the question is, how active are they?
[10:21:49] Affiliate X: Mainly through liking comments on other betting related pages which results in them coming to our page and liking ours. You can see how active they are by looking at the page mate
[10:23:00] Tom Galanis: If you’re confident, why not work on a CPA or a revenue share?
[10:23:16] Tom Galanis: I could even give you a percentage of the turnover with one of my clients
[10:23:21] Tom Galanis: far more lucrative
[10:24:07] Affiliate X: The only reason is because I have prepaid deals with 3 other clients and obviously I want to keep them happy and deliver more players for them so they renew with us
[10:24:14] Tom Galanis: I’ll be honest with you. Most affiliates wanting a £500 flat rate – and I’m not labelling you as one – do nothing to warrant it and operators rarely see a return
[10:24:32] Tom Galanis: If you were using the funds to personally fund prizes, then great
[10:24:52] Tom Galanis: so your clients include bxx3xx?
[10:25:30] Affiliate X: I am running a campaign for bxx3xx through a betting portal and I am working with Wxxxxxx Hxxx direct
[10:26:04] Tom Galanis: which portals do you have? I notice a few linked to
[10:27:07] Affiliate X: I don’t have any sites but we have a few being built as we speak. I mean it is a guy that owns a betting portal that is running the bxx3xx campaign through us
[10:27:18] Tom Galanis: Jxxxxxx Bxxxx?
[10:27:41] Affiliate X: Not with the bxx3xx campaign but the racetips and bettingon sites we promote yes
[10:27:56] Tom Galanis: how does that deal work?
[10:28:04] Affiliate X: Flat rate for a month
[10:28:56] Tom Galanis: so how do you make money from bxx3xx?
[10:29:40] Affiliate X: The guy who has the betting portal paid us for 10 new depositing players, like the deal I mentioned to you. We delivered the 10 players and now he has renewed with us for a further 10
[10:29:56] Tom Galanis: ah ok
[10:29:58] Tom Galanis: I see
[10:30:23] Tom Galanis: surely, my interest is dealing directly with them then?
[10:30:37] Tom Galanis: I’ll be getting traffic from their site and also from you
[10:31:00] Affiliate X: Not sure what you mean mate?
[10:31:43] Tom Galanis: well, if I already have a deal in place with the betting portal, I should mention that we’d be keen on seeing some more Facebook traffic
[10:31:48] Tom Galanis: and he’d do the deal with you
[10:31:56] Tom Galanis: takes an element of risk out for me
[10:33:40] Affiliate X: I am not sure he would as I asked him if he wanted to run one of his other brands and he said he just wants to run one at a time
[10:34:25] Affiliate X: It’s totally your call mate, if you want to speak to your clients and see what they say then do it but if you don’t feel comfortable with it then leave it. As I say mate, it’s totally your call
[10:35:48] Tom Galanis: if you’d consider a CPA deal, it’s workable
[10:35:58] Tom Galanis: from your perspective, I can’t see how your model is sustainable
[10:36:10] Tom Galanis: and operators won’t pay an affiliate who isn’t going to hang around
[10:37:32] Affiliate X: I am here for the long haul mate. What makes you think I am not going to hang around?
[10:40:09] Tom Galanis: I can see that’s your intention – but your model isn’t sustainable
[10:40:21] Tom Galanis: bookmakers won’t keep paying you £500 a month
[10:43:01] Affiliate X: It is not necessarily every month. It is when each 10 new punters have been delivered and if we continue to deliver the punters I can’t see why the bookmakers wouldn’t want more?
[10:43:50] Tom Galanis: Surely you would prefer a £51 CPA?
[10:44:55] Affiliate X: Yes, but not while we have prepaid deals in place as they take priority for obvious reasons
[10:45:10] Tom Galanis: but you would earn more money from that CPA?
[10:45:34] Tom Galanis: my point is – eventually, this model will stop delivering players
[10:45:48] Tom Galanis: and you’ll be indebted to bookmakers
[10:45:56] Tom Galanis: I assume you’d pay them back
[10:46:05] Tom Galanis: but others might be a bit more sceptical
[10:46:23] Affiliate X: Yes, but I am not sure why you think it will stop delivering players when there is between 30-50 new likes coming in per day?
[10:46:36] Tom Galanis: a CPA deal offers them security, build trust and a sustainable partnership
[10:48:40] Tom Galanis: the way a lot of affiliate managers will see this is – £500 – that’s not a lot of my budget is it? But if he gets 6 of those deals in every month, that’s a £50k salary
[10:48:49] Tom Galanis: let’s be honest here – the page isn’t a lot of work
[10:49:00] Tom Galanis: 1045 likes doesn’t get me a return
[10:49:24] Tom Galanis: I’m turning down upfront deals for websites that rank 2 or 3 on google for some unbelievable keyword terms
[10:49:57] Tom Galanis: they are far more stable and get considerably more (roughly 1000x) traffic than your page
[10:51:29] Affiliate X: Sure mate, as I mentioned it is totally your call. I am not forcing you into anything but just trying to get my point across by telling you the punters won’t dry up with more new people coming on the page on a daily basis and they are all targeted not just people that are interested in other things but they are interested in betting
[10:53:10] Tom Galanis: I’m sorry. It just won’t work for any of my clients. It’s an unsustainable model and I cannot believe Wxxxxxx Hxxx and bxx3xx are paying to be sat there. Best of luck, but I’m out
[10:53:26] Affiliate X: No worries at all mate
[10:53:33] Affiliate X: Best thing for us to do mate would probably be, if we have any CPA deals become available then to give you a shout but at the moment I can’t run a standard CPA deal over prepaid deals when I have promised players to those that have already paid me
[10:54:42] Tom Galanis: Realistically, you’ll be looking at a £10 CPA from most bookies – customer value from Facebook is so low
[10:55:26] Affiliate X: For what reason is it low?
[10:56:31] Tom Galanis: Customer Values from Facebook are low
[10:56:40] Tom Galanis: bookmakers have stats on all of this
[10:58:42] Affiliate X: Ok mate, we have had a couple of good redepositors across the 2 brands we are working with
[11:01:51] Tom Galanis: 2 redepositors isn’t going to cover £500 though…
[11:02:17] Tom Galanis: you need to remember that bookmakers will be expecting to make at the very least £1500 from a £500 spend
[11:02:39] Tom Galanis: 2 good redepositors won’t do that for anyone, on average
[11:03:10] Tom Galanis: you’ll need to be very lucky – and some of the best affiliates I know have not made that luck through facebook
[11:04:42] Affiliate X: It is 2 good redepositors over a 3 week period, what if another 2 good depositors come in another few weeks, then another 2 and so on?
[11:05:21] Tom Galanis: what if indeed
[11:05:34] Tom Galanis: why not work on a revenue share deal?
[11:05:47] Tom Galanis: this is my point – if you’re confident, you’ll earn more money that way
[11:06:39] Tom Galanis: you’ll also have the bookmakers’ support on any future work
[11:06:43] Tom Galanis: the site, for instance
[11:06:56] Affiliate X: We are confident but we are tied to these deals at the moment as I mentioned and as I said if we ever have any room for a CPA/Rev Share deals then I will contact you but for now we are tied to these deals and our priority is to deliver for them
[11:08:08] Tom Galanis: sincerely, best of luck with that – my advice would be to focus on delivering for Wxxxxxx Hxxx. Those guys are pretty ruthless when it comes to getting money back
[11:09:17] Affiliate X: We are over halfway to delivering what we promised to them mate and they have only been running with us for 2 weeks, in another 2 weeks the first campaign will be done and dusted
[11:09:28] Tom Galanis: great stuff

Gross to Net Deductions justified at Betfred Casino

To all affiliates who (love to) question the deductions operators make when taking their gross win numbers to a net revenue on which affiliates are paid, take a look at the latest press release at Betfred, where an affiliated customer nailed the Beach Life slot progresssive yesterday for the tune of £5.1 million.

Now, progressive jackpot contributions made by operators are often bundled into this gross to net conversion rate at a fixed percentage. Try telling the affiliate whose player hit the jackpot that this isn’t worth it… imagine seeing 30% or so of £5.1 million coming off your earnings.

Said affiliate would stand to gain from any of the money the player decides to drop back to the house too.

There was a recent thread on GPWA explaining a recent change to Betfred’s gross to net conversion (for the better actually) that caused the odd infuriated post to emerge.

Justice for the affiliate program and the affiliate manager on this one

Oh the irony. SEOs Bitching providing astonishingly good UGC

OK – to provide a bit of context for you to truly grasp the level of irony I have accomplished, you’ll need to read my earlier post and more importantly Niall O’Gribin’s!

Best bit of content this rowdy bunch of SEOs has come up with in 2011!

Tom Galanis
Totally outplayed by Niall Ó Gribín. Fair play, sir. Fair play

888 tightasses buying links + promotiononWeb are pretty dumb | @GamblingSEO
‎888 (once the biggest spammers on the internet) are buying links. Nothing new about that, EVERYONE does it in iGaming. The bit that amused me was the fact
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Niall Ó Gribín lulz. trainwrecking idiots = friday fun. i should set up a SEO trainwreck blog sometime ftw.
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Tom Galanis I’ve got a few affiliate ones on my blog for you to giggle at
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Niall Ó Gribín will have a lookey after lunch. [ ] friday productivity=)
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Scott Polk even outing stupid link buyers is not good for our industry … as much as it amuses me to read … still …
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Niall Ó Gribín agree and disagree Scott. disagree b/c these guys aren’t representative of “our industry” – low level snakeoil salesmen who seem to only know 1 thing – link buying (ok 2 things, they clearly pitched it to some lazy exec with targets and big pockets..) . if they had brains / cared about the client / knew what they were doing, then they would be dangerous. =) hehe
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Scott Polk ‎888 is simply not what they used to be in decision making … they go for the lowest bid not matter (after they beat that price down to zero) … still do NOT believe in outing at all …
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Scott Polk regardless – a funny read
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Paul Reilly Funny read.. well written.. unfortunately tarnished by exceptional bad form!
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Niall Ó Gribín all’s fair in love and business boys. let’s not forget that. see u on the beach.
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Paul Reilly Ah.. that was indeed good form.. thanks. after all it turned out to be the dev team had been instructed to remove certain franchises as the freanchisees had quit… naturally the chief didn’t want to share the news with me, as it sent out signals that the network was shrinking.. perhaps due to the rather dubious business model. 😉
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Paul Reilly Additionally Niall.. I wouldn’t have known the extent of the franchise cancellations if you hadn’t have spotted those missing redirects – so thanks for that 🙂
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Niall Ó Gribín all good blog material lols. say hi to imaginary pamela for me paul =)
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Jason Duke Not big not clever not funny either!
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Paul Reilly ‎;)
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Paul Reilly The whole point of this thread appears to be as follows… Outing link buyers is bad form, no matter how unprofessional the link supplier has been. Honour amongst spammers! FFS.. there isn’t one casino in the top 20 which doesn’t buy links.. outing all of them would be easy.
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Niall Ó Gribín outing link buyers is not bad form, it doesn’t work. nobody suffers. google is broken. oh all you agency types suffer obviously, but that’s the way it goes.
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Niall Ó Gribín My blog is about SEO, how to do it, and how NOT to do it. ousting a linkbuyer or 2 = too bad if they are stupid. sorry. fwiw, it seldom has any effect, e.g. did sky TV get fucked for this? Did they fuck.

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Sky TV buying links to sell 3D TV’s?
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Paul Reilly totally disagree Niall – of course Google has it’s weaknesses.. if everyone went around outing link buyer, the whole game would be screwed
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Jason Duke For the record – I dont agree that outing link buying or any other practices someone does in SEO is on game – that’s it, no more no less. Nothing personal. Im off to do some work
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Niall Ó Gribín the game is screwed
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Niall Ó Gribín google is broken
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Paul Reilly Yeah.. I’ve got shit to do too… Rather than blogging shit about shit.. don’t you have work to do Niall?
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Niall Ó Gribín ‎@paul, no the players would have to re-adapt to the new game…
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Niall Ó Gribín nah our servers are down. fucking UKFAST!
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Niall Ó Gribín have fun chaps. 🙂
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Paul Reilly Perhaps write a post about your hosting services? or perhaps the postman was late.. maybe he needs flaming too… 😉
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Paul Reilly Just a thought.. but why don’t you do some SEO, and exploit that broken algo to provide for you and yours lovely Christmas presents or something.. Surely that would be better use of your valuable time – rather than making enemies. Signing out now.. Have a wonderful Christmas @Niall
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Niall Ó Gribín lols. ok pamela.
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Tom Galanis You SEOs can be proper bitchy! Never heard Paul Reilly be (so) serious!!!
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Niall Ó Gribín paul’s a SEO? i thought he was a salesman.
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Paul Reilly Dude broke the Spammers Code of Honour!
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Paul Reilly Forgive me Niall.. but I don’t even know you.. have we actually met?
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Niall Ó Gribín tom was correct. seos = bitches. =)
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Scott Polk no bitches here … the longer we stay in the shade, the longer we can work in the daylight without getting burned
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Tom Galanis aah, just romanticists! That’s more like it. More love boys, more love
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Niall Ó Gribín err no and wtf jason. blowing someone elses’ candle out doesn’t make yours glow brighter.
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Tom Galanis Guys, seriously. There has to be a better forum for this than my Facebook wall!
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Niall Ó Gribín yeh wtf. jason was happy to dm me 5 mins ago, now back on your wall. strange.
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Niall Ó Gribín pzychosis
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Niall Ó Gribín delete post tom. let’s do some work 🙂
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Scott Polk ‎Tom Galanis the honeymoon period has been over for a decade now its simply “love, love, love, love …”
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Scott Polk delete … hmmm … I wouldn’t
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Tom Galanis Sod that, it’s going up on my blog 😉
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Scott Polk UGC .. way to roll with it
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Tom Galanis Haha. Classic irony. Perfect content. Thanks chaps 🙂
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Tom Galanis

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